Osanogokoro
says to everyone: *slides through the door, straightening the visible portion of a metallic gold tie before deft fingers work to quickly release its hold around my neck... moving swiftly around the angled folds of the white cotton shirt collar, I draw it out and away, folding it to tuck in the textured black of a finely tailored suit jacked pocket... which quickly shifts from my shoulders, easing back, easing away... a simple oxford button-down dress shirt with clasps of plain pearl remains, countered on either broad shoulder by the brown leather bands of suspenders, drawn taut enough to support well-tailored black suitpants, leading down to the supple brown italian leather of wedge-toe dress shoes... striding across the room as I relax, loosing the top button of the shirt... and finding the familiar path to my couch...* Tonight we've something new and different, a discussion... something of a forum, something of a roundtable, but nothing too formal... The question at hand is the dividing line for each of us between r/t and v/t, where D/s is concerned... *and now that the entry post is up, I'll commence with due pounces*

- Lots of greetings -

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: Alright... well, let's get the topic going, aye? I suppose I'll start with myself... As far as r/t vs. v/t goes, I think each has its merits, and each has its negative aspects- in r/t, it's much more... real... I'd say... I'm slightly biased, since I started out in r/t, but there are a great many things I would consider doing to someone v/t that I'd never dream of (partly because of local laws) r/t.

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~nods softly~......i feel the same, tho have had r/t experience, there is much more i'm willing to 'try' and 'do' in v/t......it's an avenue to explore when r/t doesn't allow that type of exploration, Sir

~andi~
says to david.: i'll let you know....*w*....so the discussion is...v/t vs. r/t....your thoughts handsome?

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nodding* Aye... Then there are the core differences in the ways and means we perceive one another r/t vs. v/t... Think of the things you've shared with people v/t that you'd never have done r/t...

david.
says to andrea gail: are we talking pros and cons?

~andi~
says to david.: just differences and preferences....so basically yes

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~tilts her head softly~......actuall for me, Sir......a lot of things i've done v/t have led me to believe i'd love them r/t.......and hope to some day be able to experience them r/t

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: like Professor Osan i was a RT sub long before i knew VT existed, i grudgingly tried it and appreciated it for what both Osan and casia said, it was a place i could *play* with things i couldn't do in RT ... i.e., my back doesn't bend that way *l* but i prefer RT over VT almost any day

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nodding* Same here... though I was speaking more of the much faster pace things generally tend to move v/t...

SK's phaedra
says to ~casia{Bb}~: for me....since the rt aspect is relatively new....vt has provided a safe arena in which to explore and learn about myself as a submissive...my preference is for RT because ...well...it’s real....*grins*...and as imaginative and powerful as my mind is.....it cannot duplicate the actual feeling of a belt against my skin....however...i do agree with Mr. O as well....vt provides the opportunity to delve into some of my more....deviant....deviances....in a safe way

~casia{Bb}~
says to tyme: ~nods vigorously~.....r/t over v/t any day....~shivers~....gawds someday again for me, i swear it.....~laffs~

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: yes......that is one major diff.......things even when they move slow by v/t standards are still fast paced by r/t, Sir

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: It's a little tougher for me to pick a personal preference between the two, though, because there are other factors involved... If I walked into a room r/t and got the kind of immediate attention that Mr. Pitt provides me v/t... I'd say r/t, without hesitation... And yes, r/t scenes are in a way easier, but in a way harder... less typing, more care... Still... I'd have to say r/t over v/t, if all other fields are equal.

~casia{Bb}~
says to SK's phaedra: exactly and for me, v/t was first.......i knew i like to be tied up and i knew i like 'rough' sex prior to finding v/t, but i never knew anything about the lifestyle before stumbling into a BDSM room, i was hooked, took me another 2 years before i went r/t

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nodding* v/t relationships are almost like celebrity marriages, sometimes... here today, gone tomorrow

david.
says to everyone: yes..vt is finite...

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~nods~...it is, Sir........i'm not sure why......but for the most part it is a weekly check up on who is with who....~chuckles~.....something i've just come to expect and accept online

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: for sometime i have seen VT as my video playground, where my character could do whatever i wanted her to, much like a video game, but with VT and exploring very intense things sometimes, i quickly learned that though i was in my video game, there was some very real feelings along with it, very unlike super mario brothers (shows my age *l*)

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *laughs* i think that is due to many factors....but that is a topic for another day

~casia{Bb}~
says to tyme:~ was so a Super Mario Bro's fanatic in the day, laffs~........that is what gets people tripped up........for some it is nothing more than words on a screen and with that in mind they will say/do whatever......for others this is in a very real sense real......emotions, feelings, hurts and hearts get involved.......it's hard to find that line

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: Just what I need... The next topic for U of N discussions... Why is Osanogokoro so amazingly attractive?

SK's phaedra
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nods* twas vt for me first as well.....*laughs softly*...but i didna come here necessarily seeking what i found....i actually ended up in chatro because i had a good idea for a book whose premise was the relationship between a sub and a Dom that met...in an online chatroom....*winks*....twas merely for research....til i got hooked....but i have folders and folders from those first few months....documenting my life here

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: cuz He is a god........end of discussion......~giggles~

~andrea gail~
says to david.: do you practice r/t?

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "yes!"

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: LOL

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: Reposting the Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ?

david.
says to andrea gail: do i practice what rt andi?...s

~andrea gail~
says to david.: well....i guess if you're an expert you would not have to practice huh?....*S*

Osanogokoro
says to tyme: *nodding* Good point, lovely tyme, the actual topic...I'm into D/s both v/t and r/t... I'm a S/switch, both v/t and r/t... and both v/t and r/t I dream of someday meeting a Woman who can actually top me.

~casia{Bb}~
says to everyone: ~opens up a bit~....actually, my only r/t experience with D/s i met the couple i was collared to through a phone dating system......~chuckles~....we talked for 2 months by phone before meeting, was an amazing and surreal time of my life........i'd love to take v/t to r/t when i feel it is right

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: ~pushes you~...go ahead....top him...lol

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *whispers* ummm....because He is a dead ringer for Brad Pitt with the intellectual prowess of ..*tries to think of a comparable identifier*

Wraith's tyme
says to andrea gail: i don't top but you love *w*

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: well you're always asking me when i'm going to cap my name...lolWraith's tyme
says to everyone:actually....gets real here....

~casia{Bb}~
says to everyone: ~listens for a bit~

david.
says to andrea gail: if you mean do i practice a bdsm lifstyle r/t...no...or vt for that matter...s

Osanogokoro
says to tyme: *turns to listen*

~andrea gail~
says to david.: so why are you here?.....just to look pretty?.....cause....well that works for me...*w*....lol

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: i was RT trained as a submissive, took actual classes when i knew i was pulled to the lifestyle, but my partner, husband was not, i had no Dom, so what i did was simply learn all i could about the lifestyle and what i personally wanted to put into it

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: i've only met one Dom r/t....scared the crap out of me....lol

david.
says to andrea gail: it is an open discussion group...and im relatively open minded..

david.
says to andrea gail: the pretty is just eye candy to satisfy one of your cravings....w

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *listens closely*

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: then i found i couldn't practice my *calling* after having belonged to both a Domme and a Dom.... so i came to VT, thinking it had nothing to offer.... i was very wrong, though it will never be real in here, from this keyboard, it eventually led me to Wraith..... as the discussion goes on, i will share what barriers we faced going from a VT couple to a RT

Wraith's tyme
says to andrea gail: why did it scare you? would you meet One again? or did it just make you want only BDSM here VT or did it spur you to try new BDSM *things* in your RT relationships?

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: was it just that the Domme and Dom were not a good match for you...?

~casia{Bb}~
says to tyme: i have never gone v/t to r/t......~soft smile~....i'd like to and appreciate you sharing your experience with the hurdles of making that happen

~andrea gail~
says to david.: what else do we have here?

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: ~blinks~.....can i take those one at a time or.....lol

david
says to andrea gail: suppose that depends on the individual...s

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: it was new...anything new is scary no matter how long i'd been v/t....i would meet One again...*nods*.....i would like to have both r/t and v/t....you know how selective i am v/t....could you imagine r/t?....lol

Osanogokoro
says to tyme: *nodding* I did the v/t to r/t, once... was the first time I learned that I actually could Dom r/t...

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: trying things in my r/t relationship is not an option....but i think most people have both submissive and Dominant tendencies....it's just a matter of finding out what brings it out in them

Wraith's tyme
says to SK's phaedra: oh no, they were both perfect and i was for them as well, well they said i was, leaving them was a very hard thing, when i was healthy again, years..... their lives had moved on, i love them both dearly as they love me... *s* we are all the dearest of friends... and i would guess always will be, one thing i did find, definitely different in RT than VT, when a good solid *partnership* in RT ends, perhaps for other reasons, like my case, the love goes on.... in VT, a collar dissolves and there is almost always anger and long lasting pain, so different from real time unions, of course not all, i speak only of good solid ones , not where abuse or deception are present

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: do You enjoy doming r/t, Sir?.......~if is too personal a question, will understand~

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *ponders that question for a moment or two...* Yes and no... It really depends on the submissive, honestly

SK's phaedra
says to everyone: for me....i have known i was like this...a submissive...for years although i didn’t always understand the actual name for it....at one point when i was younger i actually tried going to a few munches locally but had a bad experience that changed my mind and scared me....vanilla for awhile *giggles*.....i turned my needs to my writing instead...when i came to chat in the middle of 2007 it was for book research...but i quickly met a wonderful Dom who was truly responsible for me giving myself permission to explore and define who this part of me is....i learned more about what it means for me to be submissive in that relationship than from anything else.....*whispers* in vt or rt.....He wanted rt ...i wasn’t ready....and i eventually moved on to someone who seemed to provide a more a future and because i was all about making some very bad decisions.....while i had several interactions involving cams and phones and doing things real-time ...the first rt experience was last February....it was interesting...i met the Dom i was collared too in vt ...and nothing really physical happened between Uus...but...i knelt at His feet....and i knew....really knew for certain, that this is who i am and not just some fantasy in my head that makes me hot *grins*

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~nods~....i don't believe i'd do well as a Domme r/t i KNOW i don't v/t, can just imagine the mess i'd make r/t, Sir.....~chuckles~....i do much better on the other end

Wraith's tyme
says to andrea gail: totally agrees on having both sides, i am a bitch on wheels boss and if you work for me, you work hard for me. when i am a sub, in role and i do have to make that switch... i am a sub, i love it, i only want to serve, cherish and be cherished for my submission to One...

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: ~nods~....me too....have to be in r/t when you hold my position....oooo that sounded almost luscious..*w*

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: it's hard to make that switch sometimes though....even in v/t

Wraith's tyme
says to andrea gail: you are luscious *s*

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nodding* Being a Domme is far from easy... much more difficult, I think, than being a Dom...

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: ~moans~....don't play with me...it's been a long time....*w*

toy (f)
says to Osanogokoro: that's an interesting comment... care to elaborate?

~casia{Bb}~
says to andrea gail: it is a difficult switch to make........and sometimes impossible.........i'm much like tyme.....when i'm at work and making decision and when i'm a mom.....look out......i'm understanding, but damn if my kids don't toe the line and forget about it if you are a slacker in the work area......but when i'm submissive.......i let it all go.....it's hard to get there sometimes if things are just out of control otherwise, but once i'm there, it's done, the switch back is sometimes a struggle too

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: *thinks tyme should put on her boots and give andi a proper working over*

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *gives a lil smile* that was one of the things that was hardest for me to come to terms with ...in my subbieness....and has made the two rt D/s relationships i have had....difficult...i am all Type A, the boss, the leader, totally in control of my real life.....it is difficult to find One...who can cherish that side of me and accept and cherish my submission as well....and it is difficult for me to find One...who is strong enough to deal with me on all levels

~andrea gail~
says to SK's phaedra: i think most submissives are in control of their r/t.....every aspect of it...*nods*...makes it so much more important if you do not have that r/t release to have it v/t

Wraith's tyme
says to Osanogokoro: i was going to say Sir, from where i have always sat in the lifestyle......being a Domme or Dom, has an incredible amount of responsibility that comes with it, not that being a sub doesn't have some, it surely does, but it's different.... i do not plan and execute scenes, i would never consider telling Wraith .... i want, certainly not in those terms, He has to know, that in its self is a huge responsibility *s* which do You find *easier* to be...?

SK's phaedra
says to andrea gail: *nods and giggles* i am finding that to be true...some of my subbie girlies here are the strongest women i know....but ...i thought...*laughs because i was silly*...that there was something wrong with me because i was like that....that in order to be a sub..i needed to be....kind of a mousey doormat....if that makes sense

Wraith's tyme
says to Osanogokoro: not i *s*

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: Interesting...~s~...do you think the opposite then..that dominants act out a lack of rt control?...

~andrea gail~
says to SK's phaedra: ~smiles~....you actually need to be very strong....at least i think so....but as i said...i'm not r/t so i cannot say for sure....just here...*S*

~casia{Bb}~
says to tyme: i think it is often hard to remember just how much responsibility the Dominant has......~chuckles about the other part~......my first 'slip' up was using the 'i want' with the couple i was collared to......~winces~.....i can still feel that punishment, was not a mistake i made again..........i've learned how to express a want without making that statement

Osanogokoro
says to toy (f): Well, it might be just the skew of my personal experience... I mean, truth be told, at heart, at my deepest inner core... I'm all sub. When I'm at a Domme's feet, I burn inside in ways that haven't been described in the darkest, deepest annals of the submissive world... but there are a thousand layers of modern-society-slash-inner-caveman-male that are all but in the way... For a Domme to top me, She has to be undeniably strong, instinctively so... not so much brutal and harsh, just... strong. It's a deep, instantaneous, instinctive reaction... and without it... no way. all or nothing... But women are raised to be more submissive... all but beaten down by the world as they grow up... which makes a Dom's role infinitely easier... All He has to do is find the angle that strikes at her core... and tada.

Osanogokoro
says to tyme: *ponders for a moment* That's a very good question.... R/t, I would say it's far easier, as in requiring less effort, to be a Dom... I've pulled scenes r/t out of my ass, completely off the cuff, and had no one the wiser... It's definitely harder to submit, r/t, it takes a much greater, deeper kind of trust... depending on the scene, you're literally putting your life in the Other's hands... As a Dom, you hold the responsibility, but I think it's easier to hold than to give.

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: i have no idea what a Dominant acts out of...i've never tried that one....*w*

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *tilts my head a little at the end of that comment and bites at my lip tryin to remember my manners*....i think...respectfully Sir...that being beaten down by the world...can make a girlie stronger....rather than weaker....

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: *nodding in agreement* Aye, as it does to any strong soul... but... it still provides a form of training... and leaves a mark in the armor... a chink

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~thinks a moment to get this out right~......v/t for me to submit i wouldn't say is easy.........but is easier than r/t........r/t really brings the fear/nerves/uncertainty into play.......v/t i'm fairly easy going about scenes and things, but r/t...........it has to move much slower, because honest, i'll bolt much quicker r/t than i do v/t, Sir

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: ..it confuse us all...~g~....the fact is, many studies find you are correct...powerful people need a safety valve..a place they can let others accept and exercise responsibility...there's far less data on why a dominant is as he or she is....

toy (f)
says to Osanogokoro: agrees with phae - .. you really think in this day and age we are still brought up to be submissive?.....

Wraith's tyme
says to Hobbes: slips a snippet in on the opposite being so for Males Doms.... i have found the best Dom/mes i have encountered RT and VT were dominate personalities no matter whether they were in the grocery store or a dungeon, though i have to say, VT so far, i have *met* many many many Dom/mes that were only here *playing* that role and in RT (if we got to know one another that well, they were very.... submissive maybe, but mostly.....very depressed and sad

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: so why are You a Dominant?...*S*

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: Oh yeah... the whole mess is easier v/t than r/t... though I must say... I almost feel more vulnerable when submitting v/t than I do r/t..

Osanogokoro
says to toy (f): I don't know if it's so much upbringing as just society in general, still espousing the same old traditions... yes, feminism has come a long, long way... but I don't see the world as equal, not by a long shot... And I've met far too many women who immediately set off my D/s sense... Even some of the loudest and most independent women, I still get the sense that they'd rather be on their knees.... it's strange

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *nods softly and sadly* agree completely....about most of the Doms i have met in chat and in RT....i wonder...what it is that makes one Type A Dominant person become a Dom...and another...same type to become a sub

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~tilts her head~....really, Sir?.....mayhaps i've been doing this too long v/t only, but i remember being nerved to silence the first time r/t........i'm much more comfortable v/t.......i'm pretty blatant v/t.......get me on the phone, get me in person and i have to warm up all over again.....~laffs~....of course, i'm kind of an odd duck anyway

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: ...I sadly cannot say...~s~...I am very much a Type A...stubborn and determined and willing to do whatever is necessary to reach a goal...and I have enjoyed success, in business and in love...that singlemindedness seems to have translated to dominance....to wanting the same level of control in sexual situations as in a boardroom....

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *giggles n whispers* its the Dom arrogance that makes You think that Sir *smirks a lil and hopes i am not getting in trouble for being funny*

Wraith's tyme
says to Osanogokoro: could that be, referring to " I almost feel more vulnerable when submitting v/t than I do r/t... " because you do reveal Your real self, feelings and needs when subbing here, sometimes more than you might in RT, at least not at first, i think there are two kinds of folks in VT the ones that just let it all out honestly and those that develop a character that isn't based on the real person

Hobbes
says to tyme: ..I agree with your comments completely...~s~...

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}:~ Well, I'm taking for granted the warming-up period... then again... *thinking back* like I said before, when a Domme crosses my path... the reaction is almost instantaneous... And the first time... yeah... immediate... which was of course my mistake... and it lead to a great deal of nasty for me... but hell if She didn't teach me.

~casia{Bb}~
says to tyme: ~totally agrees with that statement~.......and i've never had a problem with either way a person chooses to go there.......so long as they are honest about it......i've met both types

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: Perhaps... There's definitely something to be said for Dom arrogance... I just know from experience I've had myself, in Dominance of submissives... the most effective means of control, nine times out of ten, I found out later were rooted in life experience... *lips purse in a frown* usually traumatic..

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~chuckles softly~,,,,,,learning from any experience is always a good thing, whether it is a negative experience or positive one

Osanogokoro
says to tyme: That and in r/t, I know the strength I have in my body and the skills I have in my hands.... I've yet to meet a Domme Who could keep me tied when I wanted out.

Osanogokoro
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *nods in agreement* Aye, it is indeed... Though I think, in that case... the lesson was "Gor is meant for v/t"

~casia{Bb}~
says to Osanogokoro: ~giggles and nods~....ohhhhh.......thankfully i learned that v/t, Sir......i enjoy the confines and structure and strictness of Gor, but only v/t.......i couldn't take things that far r/t

SK's phaedra
says to ~casia{Bb}~: *grins* i couldn’t even do it....vt.....it was too constrictive for me....i couldn’t be...myself..my sassy smirkin wisecrackin troublemaking self.....i .....withered in Gor...

warm woman enters The Edge

toy (f)
says to warm woman: good evening ww...... - s -

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: ah but i am the same way....stubborn and determined and willing to do whatever is necessary to reach a goal.....*S*....not sure what the difference is that made You gravitate to Dominance and me to submissiveness in downtime...*shrugs*

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *smiles* many here think phae is a personna....a character i play....and if you were to just meet me in rt you might agree.....but..with the exception of being slightly more self conscious in rt....i am phae here and there....*giggles* ask SK....i am not sure that was....overly pleasing to Him....*winks*

david.
says to andrea gail: maybe because life and life style are two different things...s

~andrea gail~
says to everyone: sorry....mom was on the phone

~casia{Bb}~
says to SK's phaedra: ~chuckles softly at that~

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: Well, I think that's a good thing. I think you're damn awesome. So there.

Wraith's tyme
says to SK's phaedra: laughs so hard.....RT..... Wraith would surely say the same about me..... on certain days He might even still *w*

david.
says to andrea gail: say hello to mom for me...s

warm woman
says to david.: what you said is very true

~medusea~ enters The Edge

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: The mystery of life...~s~..nature versus nurture....

~andrea gail~
says to david.: perhaps....some of us need downtime and to let go of that control and some thrive on it all the time maybe

SK's phaedra
says to andrea gail: *nods* i wonder the same thing....what makes people who are so similar have such opposite needs

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *blushes a lil* thanks Sir.....

~andrea gail~
says to ~medusea~: hiya luv...*hugs*...*S*

SK's phaedra
says to ~casia{Bb}~: seriously...He doesn’t know what to do with me most of the time.....

toy (f)
says to ~medusea~: hello lovely...... - s-

david.
says to andrea gail: isn’t vt like downtime from rt?...

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: perhaps....i'm not sure .... i thrive on it during the day but have to let it go to feel somewhat sane at night...if You let it go...You feel the loss immediately...*S*...different strokes for different folks....*w*

~andrea gail~
says to david.: it is downtime .... it's a way to be what you want to be which is a release in and of itself but it comes with it's own responsibilities....*nods*

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: Has He tried tossing you a bouncie ball?

Osanogokoro says to SK's phaedra: Or perhaps holding up something shiny?

SK's phaedra
says to ~medusea~: evenin pretty dolly *smiles soft*

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: *sits back and listens as the topics bounce around*

david.
says to andrea gail: what responsibilities specifically?..s

Wraith's tyme
says to Osanogokoro: *gets a very knowing smile*.... i love it when Wraith throws the ball for me *s*

warm woman
says to everyone: I'm not sure this comment is appropriate to the discussion.... for me, in the years I've been exploring and trying to find a real time relationship with this "kink" I've come to discover that, for me, I can't do BDSM 24/7 and wouldn't want to -- for me, it's not a lifestyle, it's the icing on the cake of a great and deep relationship

Wraith's tyme
says to ~medusea~: so love, do you like BDSM here in VT better than RT or does it interest you in both real and VT?

~andrea gail~
says to david.: you still have a responsibility to people you meet here....words on a screen are still real people's feelings on the other side...that is a responsibility....but that is off topic...*S*

SK's phaedra
says to Osanogokoro: *BOL RT*....It is not an ADD thing Sir...well..most of the time...*thinks*..ok...i do have a bit of trouble sitting still with nothing to do for long periods of time....but...i think its more....that i am ummm.....*scrunches my face up and talks really soft* a sassylilsmartmouththatswatsHim....

~andrea gail~
says to warm woman: good point...*nods*

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: *nodding* Definitely appropriate... Not everyone is a 24/7... I have been... could be again... though it's not exactly practical

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *whispers* i don’t get the ball thing.....

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: ..we're just two sides of the same coin..~s~...I need downtime...relaxation....I just decompress a different way...

Osanogokoro
says to SK's phaedra: *is totally going to get Him a shiny yo-yo*

Wraith's tyme
says to SK's phaedra: oh so you are a sub that wants attention? *L*

david.
says to andrea gail: that sounds like more of an ideal ....s

Wraith's tyme
says to SK's phaedra: i am pup trained.... rt.... i love to play fetch! *w*

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *smiles softly* i think your comment it totally appropriate for the conversation....i think there are many who feel that way.....SK is one of them....while He is always....Dom....Wwe flow in and out of truly D/s roles....and have been with another who was only D/s in the bedroom...

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: I can't see how 24/7 is practical -- not to mention it must be exhausting to the Dom - and I keep thinking that a Dom would have to be independently wealthy in order to do this 24/7 --

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: *nods*....i give up control and You reinforce it....*S*

~casia{Bb}~
says to everyone: ~just quietly listens, tucking her pillow tightly under her head~

ellesedil enters The Edge

~andrea gail~
says to david.: no....it's a fact....*S*

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: I keep thinking that if I ever found myself in a relationship with a Dom that the relationship would grow and change and that the power exchange may eventually enter more facets of every day life -- but I think that comes from the growing bond and trust and love that I hope would happen *s*

~andrea gail~
says to ellesedil: hiya....*S*

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: Well... *thinking* From a submissive angle, as a 24/7, She was rather well-to-do, and I was still in school... so that worked out... I just went to class still in submissive mode, collar on, etc. As the Dom of a 24/7 now... she works, does all the normal sorts of things, just does it all in her collar, as a submissive. Everything you do as a 24/7 becomes an extension of the submission... It goes beyond the bedroom and the kitchen to everyday life.

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *laughs* maybe....*shrugs*....maybe i am poorly trained...maybe i need something i am not getting....its hard to say.....*tilts my head*...i do need a lot of attention from my One....am very greedy that way.....but that's not why i swat Him....or...*mutters something bout telling Him to shut up*

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: i know some 24/7 bdsm couples/families, but its so rare i think to find that life where you can be openly in role, no matter where you are and who you are with, i think of Wraith's and mine as more than bedroom bdsm, but surely not 24/7, we have jobs, He has kids, those two things are not a part of nor do we want them a part of our roles privately, it's more like, in my apartment (no kids here) and whenever we are alone and not at work, then we are in role

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: how do You go to class in a collar?

Wraith's tyme
says to ellesedil: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

~medusea~
says to tyme: her head tilts...choosing her words....ones vt BDSM has been limited...in her experience...though she has some of the v/t cross into r/t as duties to do...and the use of cam's an phones....am i interested in r/t?...yes with the right One...but i live in a area where the gene pool is suffiently ...depleted..blinks owlishly...and it is not always easy to travel back and forth to the city ..to seek like minded out

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: I leave my frustrations on another's skin....I exorcise my demons on a canvass of flesh....not brutally or in ugliness but with a partner that finds joy in bearing those touches and marks...in retrospect, I don't know that it's a control issue but rather our personal decompression preference....

warm woman
says to tyme: even if you and he are just hanging out cuddling and watching a movie? how are you submissive in that situation?

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *nods softly* i think it is like any relationship...it changes and grows....goes down this path....and that...and perhaps when you find One that fits or suits you....you can work through the changing needs of each other together

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: *chuckles* oh but hell, I can't even find a vanilla lover let alone a man with more

ellesedil
says to tyme: thank you. is it ok to observe?

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: It depends on the relationship, really... For me, it was slightly more than going to class with the collar on... best behavior, well-dressed, that sort of thing... not lingering... not talking to any of the females in the class... speaking as a submissive, in third person, and so on.

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: so You think it more a release of frustrations in different ways than in a giving up or gathering up of control?

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: Like I said, it wasn't very practical.

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: i am serving him, i take great pleasure in serving him , coffee, food, making him comfortable, giving Him a shower, and drying Him, saying that, He is a loving Dom and when He sees i have had a hard day, He cares for me, take control of all i do and do not do for the evening...

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: You spoke in third person even in every day interactions?

Wraith's tyme
says to ellesedil: absolutely, but do feel free to jump in anywhere *s*

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: and i wear my collar whenever i can *w*

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: *nods* I did indeed.

warm woman
says to tyme:hmmm -- I guess I don't view cooking for my man or bathing him as necessarily submissive -- that's just me taking care of my man *s* maybe I don't have the proper experience to know what that head space is truly like

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: yeah I couldn't do that

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: I'm leaning that way...I think dominance and submission psycho-sexual....a way to open up and sweep out all the jumbled emotions and detrius in our lives...people do that in many ways...perhaps we chose a more physical method than others....

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *laughs softly* i would have said the same thing 6 months ago....interestingly one of the things i have learned here in chat is that one of the reasons my rt love life has been so....unsuccessful..was because my submission was getting in the way of me picking proper Men

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: for me, domestic service as well as sexual service is what i enjoy, doesn't make my relationship better, makes mine different than some, similar to others, there is no wrong really so long as you and Yours are satisfied

~andrea gail~
says to warm woman: how would that not be considered submissive?..... most women that i know do not bathe and dry off their husbands....not that the husbands wouldn't love it i'm sure but still...lol

SK's phaedra
says to tyme: *smiles softly* that sounds...practically perfect....*sighs all dreamy*

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: Whenever She and I went out together, I followed three steps behind, knelt beside Her chair whenever She sat, that sort of thing

~angel~ enters The Edge

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: my submission is hidden -- I don't let it hang out easily and I certainly don't find myself submitting quickly even to Doms r/t

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *grins* i cant do it either...not even here...am too much of a .....person...to pretend not to be....*winks*

warm woman
says to andrea gail: *smiles* and yet I'm sure there are many vanilla lovers who enjoy a sexy shower together

~angel~
says to andrea gail: slides in and starts readin..curling up with you-

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: *gapes* you did this in public?!

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: ~ponders....nods~...You have a very good point Sir....but Wwe've picked a not very simple way to sweep away those demons...if it were easy though...i suppose everyone would do it...*S*....i still think it's ingrained somewhat

Wraith's tyme
says to ~angel~: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: now -- I have found a bit of switch in my in the v/t realm and I have enjoyed exploring that with a very few but online only -- I'm not sure I'd have the nerve to venture there r/t

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: very well put sugar lips...*nods*

~andrea gail~
leaps across the room, pouncing on ~angel~ tackle hugging to the floor slip sliding them both into a pile of pillows, covering ~angel~'s face in nibbles and kisses and says: babycakes!....just in time...*S*

~andrea gail~
says to ~angel~: since you have it all going on r/t...lol

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: I do think we are drawn to it...there is something deep within that calls us to be as we are...maybe it was, as suggested, something traumatic..maybe it's something more natural....I've no idea....but I do agree with you....it's ingrained somewhere, somehow...

~andrea gail~
says to warm woman: i'm sure they do.

warm woman
says to tyme: *s* Yes I know there are many service oriented submissives -- in fact some have no sexual submission at all it is purely service -- I know I find joy in cooking and having someone appreciate my efforts - maybe that is a latent submissive tendency that I didn't know I had *s*

Mav
enters The Edge

Wraith's tyme
says to ~medusea~: i recall bein gin an area for a while that was limited in social bdsm avenues...it sucked, i do feel for you, this area, is wonderful for all sorts of groups and gatherings and fun stuff and people to meet, as was the UK, but some areas just aren't..... i hope you.....can find some real playmates, when you wish to

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *smiles* tis one of the best things about vt in my experience....being able to explore things that wouldn't be possible in rt....i had a boy....a subbie boy who submitted to me....it was...hard for me...but for him, submitting to a subbie girl....was the ultimate....

Osanogokoro
says to warm woman: *nodding* Proudly.

Mav
says to everyone: evening people

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: however....since Wwe agree that most people do have both sides in them...or are at least capable of them and are eventually drawn to one or the other...could it be that "they" fear what they do not understand as all people do?.....if everyone was taught it and understood it....then it would be the "norm"....*S*.....so all could do it..but balk at it because they do not understand it and do not want to learn

~andrea gail~
says to Mav janelle's: Good evening Sir...*S*

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: *smiles* i have worn my collar in public too....it was....exhilarating....although i am not sure it is something i would be comfortable with on my home turf....where...umm...i might see someone from the PTA or the office

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: I've tried capping my name when my mood changes,but the caps don't feel right to me -- and I've found some sub men refuse to talk to a woman if she isn't capped -- so that just makes my selection process more unique *s* I have at least 2 that I love playing with though I don't see them very often

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: could be, but i think that is human, wanting to be appreciated for our efforts, in role however, it is me who is getting the pleasure, some service things i do, make me so wet, so excited, so completely His.... hell He has no idea, or maybe He does *w*

warm woman
says to Osanogokoro: You do have balls *s*

*~SaMhein~*enters The Edge

warm woman says
to Osanogokoro: just the idea of doing THIS -- out in public -- churns my stomach

SK's phaedra
says to Mav janelle's: evenin Mr Mav *smiles*

Wraith's tyme
says to Mav janelle's: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

Mav
says to andrea gail: hey missy gail

Wraith's tyme
says to *~SaMhein~*: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

~andrea gail~
says to tyme: try living in the heart of the bible belt!....lol

~janelle~ enters The Edge

~angel~
says to andrea gail: doesn’t think that’s true either...R has no interest in topping me...and I know for a fact he's no interest in being a sub or bottom....but, some kinky stuff he likes....but the d/s, he's researched it...we talk about it...he truly doesn’t see the appeal

Mav
says to SK's phaedra: evening phaedra

toy (f)
says to Mav janelle's: bonsoir Monsieur Mav... - smiles -

warm woman
says to tyme: *grins* like you get wet making a fresh spicy salsa for him? *

SK's phaedra
says to ~janelle~:*grins n snugs* hello beautiful

~andrea gail~
says to ~janelle~: hiya gorgeous...*hugs*...*S*

Mav
says to ~janelle~: grins........... hey baby......... now that's a valentines AV

~angel~
says to tyme: nods-...agrees with you on the service stuff

~andrea gail~
says to *~SaMhein~*: Good evening M'Lady...*S*

Mav
says to toy (f): hey toy................. how are you tonight

*Badboy* {c}enters The Edge

~medusea~
says to tyme: soft nod..aye..i have ..browsed adds for such in surrounding areas...but...most have jes made warning bells ring an...am in no way going to compromise myself in a situation i can't get out of...someday if it is meant to happen..it will...i will keep looking an searching

*Badboy* {c}
says to everyone: hey *S*

Mav
says to Wraith: hey tyme

~andrea gail~
says to ~angel~: my R doesn't either....but if that's all they knew then it would be normal for them....i'm just saying i think they all can do it....just have no desire to or have the fear of it

‡ dark muse ‡enters The Edge

toy (f)
says to Mav janelle's: i've very well..... and yourself?

Wraith
Softly caresses tyme's cheek with a warm palm and says: hello My pet

toy (f)
says to ~janelle~: g'evening... - s -

Mav
says to toy (f): hey......... tomorrow's Friday............ it's all down hill

toy (f)
says to *Badboy* {c}: hello Sir... -s -

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: ..you pose an interesting question if I understand it correctly..we have posited that D/s is a way to relieve frustrations, both sexual and nonsexual....you ask now, if I understand, whether D/s is not then simply a coping mechanism but has had negative implications because it is not practiced or embraced by a societal majority?...

~andrea gail~
says to ~angel~: does he take you?....does he like it when you tell him to take you?....fuck his?....take his.....*S*

Wraith
says to everyone: Greets Aall

~andrea gail~
says to Wraith: Good evening Handsome Boss Man...*S*

‡ dark muse ‡
says to everyone: Good evening E/everyone...*s*

SK's phaedra
says to Hobbes: oooh *writes down all those big delicious words in my little book*

david.
says to everyone: miles behind...waves to anyone i have missed...s

toy (f)
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: hello beautiful muse.... - hugs -

Wraith
says to andrea gail: evening queen bee..*S*

SK's phaedra
says to Wraith: evenin Mr W Sir...*smiles n curtseys to the Sherriff*

*Badboy* {c}
says to toy (f): hi toy *S*

Wraith's tyme
says to warm woman: i do get wet doing some things, not all *l* scrubbing the floor naked = wet, scrubbing the toilet anyway = not wet and very honestly, like anyone i think, depends on my mood, if i am tried maybe not, but if i am horny, i wanna cum while bringing His plate to the table

toy (f)
says to Wraith: good evening Sir.... - s -

~andrea gail~
slips over, curling up on the overstuffed pillow by ‡ dark muse ‡ and says: hiya beauty....~hugs~

warm woman
says to Wraith: hello Sir *s*

Wraith
says to SK's phaedra: evening princess phae

‡ dark muse ‡
says to toy (f): hi beautiful *hugs*..*s*

Mav
says to ~janelle~: pulls you onto the Mavenport and snuggles up for a long winter's night'

SK's phaedra
says to *Badboy* {c}: *smiles* evenin Mr Bb Sir

~angel~
says to andrea gail: he likes it when I tell him to fuck me...but...its a more equal thing....there is no one 'in charge' so to speak.....he’s even tried to once or twice top me....its not comfortable for him....comfortable may not be the right word....does nothin for him

SK's phaedra
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: evenin gorgeous *smiles*

Dark Eyes enters The Edge

warm woman
says to tyme: oh lord! I am soooo far from that mind space

Wraith
says to toy (f): evening toy...cute avatar

‡ dark muse ‡
says to andrea gail: *wrapping you close as i take in the conversations*

*Badboy* {c}
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: Evening muse *W*

~janelle~
enters The Edge

Wraith
says to warm woman: evening warm one

warm woman
says to david.: *hugs you on the way by*

~janelle~
says to Mav janelle's: Jeezus..... am i here??

Mav
says to ~janelle~: oh dear............... it's gonna be one of those nights

Wraith's tyme
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

Wraith's tyme
says to *Badboy* {c}: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

Mav
says to ~janelle~: oh dear......... it's gonna be one of those nights

Wraith's tyme
says to Dark Eyes: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: because it is misunderstood..feared even....i'm conflicted on thinking it's something that Wwe had to have....that completes Uus.....and wondering if Wwe were just already there and more open minded to it

*Badboy* {c}
says to SK's phaedra ~: hiya *S*

Wraith's tyme
says to Wraith: good evening .... *s* Greeting and off topic in PM please. Please refrain from *off topic* discussion on screen for the duration of tonights discussion(it's being copied), which is: Topic: Are Yyou into BDSM in VT only or have Yyou or would Yyou like to have it in Yyour RT as well? IF yes to RT integration... How have Yyou ? Please join in. Professor Osanogokoro will lead the discussion.

~angel~
says to Hobbes: hell as of right now its considered a psychiatric condition....i.e. we are nuts, broke, etc

‡ dark muse ‡
says to SK's phaedra: evening pretty phae *s*

~andrea gail~
says to ~angel~: R isn't either but if i tell him things like that during sex.....drives him wild....he has no clue why....i do....*S*

toy (f)
says to Wraith: thank you Sir..... - smiles -

‡ dark muse ‡
says to *Badboy* {c}: evening Sir *s*

toy (f)
says to ~janelle~: wb... and hello again.... - s -

~andrea gail~
says to ~angel~: although he has no desire to do it or learn about it...there is some Dom in there...*S*

~andrea gail~
says to Dark Eyes: Good evening Sir...*S*

~andrea gail~
says to Mav: tosses You the duct tape~....*S*

Osanogokoro
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: A whisper, lovely muse?

SK's phaedra
says to andrea gail: i think i agree with angel on this one...i think it is a definite release for some.....some are more deeply drawn than others to it....some can skim along the surface almost....playing at it...and for some....there is just no appeal...it doesn’t....speak to them in the same way....they could go through the motions....but it isn’t a need for them......when i think about how this is for me....a deeply entrenched part of who i am....i can understand that...how it cold be lacking for others...like...i don’t get....*thinks*....lawncare....

‡ dark muse ‡
says to tyme: sorry *s*

~janelle~
says to everyone: ~waves hello to Eeveryone while i have a chance and slips onto the Mavenport with my Master~

Mav
says to andrea gail: catches it and nods my appreciation

*~SaMhein~*
says to everyone: slips in and catches up ..sorry ty kept me away ..but i myself have lived a combination vanilla and bdsm lifestyle ..well frankly since my sex life started..it varied ..depending on my lovers...most people are ok with bdsm as a toll to..spice things up iv noted but when you explain your part of the lifestyle then it seems you are looked down upon...i think its a bit like the diff between being gay ad being bi.,...you own needs set the bar ...if your needs are strong enough ..it will surpass whatever limits people might put upon you ..drops this in the room for consideration....for some bdsm is fantasy and they are happy with it and im basically happy for them,,,for others their lifes would be unhappy without it ...and they must go against what others believe in order to achieve their own peace of mind

Wraith's tyme
says to ‡ dark muse ‡: that's okay..... i am just a sub.....just a...... sub....... just a sub *l*

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: I think there is a component of open-mindedness....I think those who walk this path tend to be interested in sexuality and its many forms....there are dozens and dozens of things that might arouse a person....a quick tour of Chatro's rooms tells us that...why we landed here...what there was about D/s that tugged at us...~s~...I don't pretend to understand...

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: I'm just a jigolo, and everywhere I go, people know the part I'm playin'....Last comments, A/all, then we'll button this up so tyme doesn't have to spend three years parsing it all for the archive....

‡ dark muse ‡
says to Osanogokoro: nods

warm woman
says to *~SaMhein~*: I tried to get into the "trappings" of BDSM without any emotional bond and it sucked dirt - I finally decided that I would rather do without than settle for less than the whole package -- so I think I can function without getting spanked but -- I'd welcome a relationship where there is some spanking

~angel~
says to *~SaMhein~*: agrees-...I am told Im a much more pleasant person to be around when I can share that part of myself with someone....its not that Im necessarily unhappy, but that there’s a small part of me that’s...just...bleh..-l-

~andrea gail~
says to Hobbes: i don't either but i'm glad Wwe did....*S*

SK's phaedra
says to ~angel~: if i may ask....how do you get that then miss angel if your RT Man is not D/s

Hobbes
says to andrea gail: ..as am I...~s~...

~janelle~
says to Mav janelle's: ~snuggles in against You to listen to the conversation~

Wraith
says to everyone: I came to this lifestyle for the respect , organization and recognition...over in that other place before BDSM I was merely yet another bozo with a cute name..now I am an Icon...I must note however...that there is a HUGE difference between online BDSM and the real thing.

~angel~
says to SK's phaedra ~: the man I serve is not my husband ..-s-....they have spoken...they have each others email and phone number....we've two major rules...nothin is hidden...R asks, I answer honestly....and 2...my Sirs rules and such do not cross into our bedroom

Wraith's tyme
says to Wraith: there is, i love when You RT flog me and i can't stand typing.... so can Wwe keep being real Sir?

SK's phaedra
says to ~angel~: *smiles* thanks for sharing...and you are so lucky to have found...a situation that works for what you need

~angel~
says to SK's phaedra most welcome phae...-smiles-..and yes...I am truly lucky

Wraith
says to tyme: As long as the Flogger holds up My pet..*S*

Wraith's tyme
says to Wraith: thank You Sir *hugs*

SK's phaedra
says to Wraith: *orders You a stock of floggers*

*~SaMhein~*
says to Wraith: agrees completely..where one might take liberties with another online...you cannot and should not do such in a rt setting..the safe sane consenual..sould never ever be ignored or mistreated...because to do so not only violates another persons free will ...but it crosses the thin line from fetish to monster

Wraith
says to everyone: The one truly nice thing about v/t BDSM..I can feel like hammered shit and still participate in a scene..not so in r/t

warm woman
says to Wraith: I guess that's why I've always tried to keep it real even online just in case I ever do go r/t with any of these men -- I wouldn't want them to think I'm a pain slut or anything extreme *g*

oncebitten2xshi enters The Edge

~janelle~
says to Wraith: ~chuckles at that and agrees~.... i'm such a wuss in r/t, but online i'm supersubbie!

~angel~
says to *~SaMhein~*: consensual....-pretty sure I mucked up that spelling-.....don’t enter another’s space without invitation

Wraith
says to *~SaMhein~*: Exactly...I could never have tied My submissive to a tree and blasted her with a cannon in r/t..

~andrea gail~
says to oncebitten2xshi: hiya oh broken one...*hugs*

Mav
says to ~janelle~: laughs at my supersubbie girl

Wraith's tyme
says to ~janelle~: nice to meet you supersubbie *l* i love that *l*

SK's phaedra
says to warm woman: that is a very good point....and something i do as well...my vt limits have always been my rt limits....and i have only crossed over into things i would never do rt....with that knowledge imparted to my scene partner

toy (f)
says to oncebitten2xshi: hi shi....... smiles warmly

~andrea gail~
says to ~janelle~: lol

*~SaMhein~*
says to everyone: and respect is a given..vt or rt..treat others as you would have them treat you..simple....no matter online or rt...words hurt as much as a hand ..agrees keeping it real..saves a lot of heartaches and headaches

~janelle~
says to Mav janelle's: ~L~... You just wait.... if Wwe ever hook up r/t, You'll be like "What are you crying for? You LOVED when I spanked your ass for an hour online!"

SK's phaedra
says to oncebitten2xshi: evenin lovey *snugs*

Wraith
says to SK's phaedra: v/t is an excellent place to try out new things..just to see if Oone can get their head wrapped around the *idea*

Osanogokoro
says to everyone: This has been an excellent discussion session, but I'm marking the "official" ending.... *picks up a sharpie* here. *marks an "x"* Thank you all for coming 'round, sharing yourselves so frankly and openly and whatnot... jinnan tonyx all around

SK's phaedra
says to Wraith: *nodsnods* completely agree Sir...i used to have....alot of limits...*winks*

~janelle~
says to tyme: ~grins n winks and hides my cape~

Wraith
says to everyone: Also I have noted..that in v/t..Wwe are all fucking beautiful...in r/t...Wwe look kind of like a bowling league

~angel~
says to Wraith: Im more visual...I want to see it done...-l- then I decide...I wanna do that!..or...'aint no fuckin way in hell...reeeeed!'

Mav
says to ~janelle~: well I wouldn't spank you if your cried for an hour............... what about all the stories you told me about having online masters that would give you tasks todo........... and you'd do them gladly

~janelle~
says to Wraith: ~LOL~

SK's phaedra
says to Wraith: *BOL and immediately starts thinkin of a clever name for our bowling league*

Hobbes
says to Wraith: ...~g~..that's hilarious...

~medusea~
says to everyone: quietly listens

Mav
says to Wraith: I used to belong to a bowling league.......... LOL

~angel~
says to Wraith: you mean...those people I know in rt aren’t really supermodels??...wtf...I’ve been lied to!!

Osanogokoro
says to Wraith: I don't roll on Shabbas.

Wraith
says to ~angel~: that's the nice thing about play parties

SK's phaedra
says to Wraith: although...i have always been upfront about....the real me...my rt pic is always on my MSN...

~janelle~
says to Mav janelle's: ~nods~.... that did happen.... and if You gave me strict orders, i'd carry them out, unless it was physically impossible

Mav
says to ~janelle~: you know that's not my style though baby

Wraith
says to SK's phaedra: Hmmmm..The Ultra Dominant/supersubbie league ?

~angel~
says to Wraith: the uber league of D/s

warm woman
says to SK's phaedra: and yet I've often been ridiculed for NOT being more extreme online

Wraith
says to warm woman: aye I have always found that honesty is the best policy...Tis also much easier to remember the truth

Wraith's tyme
says to everyone: please email me tyme at theedgemods@sizzlingchat.com if you do not want your portion of the discussion included

SK's phaedra
to warm woman: *smiles* in my experience....and with this exception of this room and my home over in CE....most people online behave like they are in Jr High....*shrugs*....i think...what matters is what works for you...and the one you are with....who cares what anyone else says